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"Baden-Württemberg shares Lake Constance (Bodensee; the border with Switzerland is the middle of the lake) with Switzerland, the foothills of the Alps (known as the Allgäu). Bavaria and the Austrian Vorarlberg form part of the southeastern bank of Lake Constance, but don't border Baden-Württemberg over land)." This sentence was maybe re-edited too much. In fact, Austria does not accept the middle of the lake as the border between Baden-Württemberg and Switzerland. The Allgäu-part is a strange relict of former versions of the article, Bavaria does border Baden-Württemberg over land. It is even the longest border of Baden-Württemberg. Can someone please have a look on this part. I trz to make some sense out of it. (talk) 15:22, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

À quoi? Momedzo (talk) 05:01, 6 September 2018 (UTC)


deleted the part with irony because it was clearly not independant and had strong tendencies. Also that part was no subject of the cited quote.

"the" powerhouse[edit]

I changed "the fact that Baden-Württemberg is the powerhouse of inventions and economy" to "one of the principal centers for innovation and economy in Germany" To talk about "the" powerhouse was not very NPOV.

I'm unsure of how to fix the table.Boven 12:34, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Who said Backnang is a principal city???


The correct english translation of the german "Ministerpäsident" is prime minister not Minister-President. I know that some Germans use minister-president when translating it to english and there might be even some german dictonaries that offer it as alternative. But even the wikipedia-page Minister-president states that it "is the prime minister of a German federal state". Since prime minister is the word actually used by native english speakers I suggest that it should replace minister-president on the pages of the german states. User:

I disagree! Chiefly since English language works in political science often use the term Minister-President, but also since the linking to Minister-president makes misunderstandings unplausible. Since "prime minister" is the word actually used by native English speakers, one could equally well rename chancellor to prime minister too, which I really hope we will not. /Tuomas 07:01, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I put it back again, but linked to Minister-president. --Ruhrjung 02:16, Jan 8, 2005 (UTC)

There is a difference, chancellor is frequently used by native English speakers and included in Merriam Webster, moreover it describes a different title. In contrast Minister-President is not contained in Merriam Webster and is just a different name for the title prime minister.

I've reverted the "Minister-President" to Günther Oettinger as he still is in office. Steffan Mappus was elected, by it's party, as successor of Günther Oettinger and as candidate for the 2011 election, but is not in charge, yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:09, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

French flag[edit] The French site has a much better flag. gren 14:56, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Linguistic or cultural regions missing[edit]

There is no mention of regions like Breisgau, Swabia, Markgraeflerland, nor of dialects like Allemanisch or Schwabisch. I have tried to create an entry called Markgraeflerland to get the ball rolling but could not find a way to get it added.

This text does NOT belong here, but I add it to show what should be added for various regions:

Markgraeflerland is a region in Germany's Southwest known for its vineyards. A unique grape variety is the Gutedel grape, which made its way into the region in 1780 from Vevey in Switzerland. Other popular varieties in the region include Müller Thurgau, Grau Burgunder, Weiss Burgunder, Spätburgunder (Pinot Noir) and Weissherbst. Markgraeflerland is found entirely in the German state of Baden-Wuerttemburg.

The region is often called by Germans the Tuscany of Germany, referring to the Tuscan region of Italy, due in part to the fact that is has better weather than the rest of the nation.

The region includes a portion of the southern Black Forest until the Swiss border in the south, to the French Alsatian border in the west, and to the German region known as Breisgau in the north. The generally accepted center of the region is the city of Müllheim. Its easterly direction inside of these borders includes the Rhine valley to the foothills of the Black Forest in the east.

Historically the region was a bit smaller only reaching to Heitersheim in the north. The largest mountain in the region the Hochblauen (High Blue) is also considered a part of the region but at the outside border.

This region is home to the German dialect known as Allemanisch. The most famous writer of Allemanisch literature is easily Johann Peter Hebel.

Markgraeflerland is the culmination of three duchies: Badenweiler, Rötteln and Sausenburg. In 1526 the Markgraf (Duke) decided to be religiously reformed following the actions of a certain German monk Martin Luther.

Largest in area and population?[edit]

Really? Because there's an article about Bavaria that would beg to differ. Escapeartist 14:45, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

No,BW is 3rd in both area and population. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:57, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Castle Hohenzollern[edit]

German for Castle: Schloss. English for Burg: Fortress What is called here Castle Hohenzollern in the gallery, ist actually the Burg Hohenzollern. There is also a Schloss Hohenzollern, but it is located in Sigmaringen. I suggest renaming from Castle Hohenzollern to Fortress Hohenzollern - or even Burg Hohenzollern. -- 17:37, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

castle means also "Burg", fortress means "Festung" -- (talk) 15:58, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Or, to say it the other way: "Schloss" means castle OR palace (like Versailles), "Burg" means castle that is a fortress, or, as the modern “Burg Hohenzollern” (constructed between 1846 and 1867), looks like a fortress. --Schwab7000 (talk) 21:08, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
@ The castle located in Sigmaringen is called "Schloss Sigmaringen" (Sigmaringen castle). It was the residence of the Princes of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen. The Hohenzollern Castle ("Schloss Hohenzollern" or "Burg Hohenzollern") is located near the Town of Hechingen. --MaiusGermanicus (talk) 12:26, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Lake Bodensee[edit]

The nice lake Bodensee is called Lake Constance in English and not Lake Bodensee (talk) 12:45, 22 February 2008 (UTC) Steve

right — Preceding unsigned comment added by KarlJun (talkcontribs) 23:30, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

unintelligible baden-württembergians?[edit]

"both are known for being almost unintelligible to northern Germans"
that's insulting and unencyclopedic

ok i guess s.o. mixed up unintelligible with unintelligent (please check your vocabulary)
unintelligible=unverständlich —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Economy section[edit]

I restored changes I had made previously to the economy section. Probably these changes had been deleted unknowingly because of the controversy going on in the section "Religious freedom debate". If this is not the case and my changes [1] are considered factually wrong, please discuss the issue here. Ulmensis (talk) 12:04, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I just realized that IP changed several sections, probably by reverting to a previous version [2]. Several errors were re-introduced to the text, some of which have been corrected by now. I will not revert the text since several new changes have been made by now. For the future, just be more careful with changes and reverts, please be aware of what exactly you are changing or reverting to in detail, and please discuss the things you want to change or revert. Ulmensis (talk) 12:28, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

The IP obviously also reverted vandalism, and I am losing track of what is right and wrong in the different versions. A bot restored the link to the Ukrainian version, hopefully this is now the correct version. Ulmensis (talk) 12:34, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Religious freedom debate[edit]

It is somehow symptomatic for Wikipedia to have a section on a "Religious freedome debate" of a Southern German state, but actually no written section on religion in general in that state at all. Wikipedia should be an encyclopedia and not a place for current debates. I have not deleted the section, but it would really be desirable that we have a general section on religion. After all the facts about religion in Baden-Württemberg would have been included, the controversy could also go into that section. However, it should not dominate the section, because it is only one small piece of information.

Concerning the controversy itself, I replaced "women" by "teachers", because it relates to female teachers only, and not to female students. Female students are allowed to wear the scarf.

If you do not feel happy about the section, please discuss here. Ulmensis (talk) 12:52, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I went forward and included the debate in the religion section. The section, however, still does not contain a written text on religion in general in Baden-Württemberg. It now just consists of a table of religious affiliations and the famous debate. Ulmensis (talk) 13:00, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Chronology of history section[edit]

The history section would be better with a chronological approach like most other history related texts. The first sentence should be put after the Roman period and a brief sentence covering the Pre-Roman time would be nice. As i have next to no knowledge about this specific area of history, someone more experienced might be able to improve that. GermanJoe (talk) 12:45, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

The parliament's name is Landtag.[edit]

I am going to insert this term (in)to the article. For details: please see Discussion at Landtag_of_Baden-Württemberg --Schwab7000 (talk) 16:01, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

A Landtag (eng. State Diet) is a representative assembly or parliament in German-speaking countries with some legislative authority.

Audit (fiscal/finacial)[edit]

The Baden-Württemberg General Auditing Office acts as an independent body to monitor the correct use of public funds by public offices.

True, a bit surprising at that point. It is about Rechnungsprüfung (autit or ‘check of billing and accounting’). The authority (or body) called “Rechnungshof Baden-Württemberg” is independent, because it shall help (esp.) the parliament to check and control the (fiscal) activities of the government (with all departments, agencies, etc). But the situation is the the same in all 16 Länder and in the Bund (Federal Republic of Germany: Bundesrechnungshof) and even in the cities. -- Schwab7000 (talk) 16:27, 24 June 2011 (UTC) As an example for a city: Rechnungsprüfungsamt of Landeshauptstadt (State Capital) Stuttgart --Schwab7000 (talk) 20:21, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Further supreme institutions of the state
The “Staatsgerichtshof” (Supreme Court) should be metioned as well. --Schwab7000 (talk) 13:55, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

more about Baden-Württemberg (BW)[edit]

There should be some information about radio and tv. This is in the legislation of the states in Germany. And about Hockenheimring. Whether you are fan of Formula One or not, the motorsport venue is a factor that makes the world notice the Land BW. And the state has payed enough for the Hockenheimring, only a few years ago (modernisation). --Schwab7000 (talk) 20:55, 26 June 2011 (UTC)


Hello, all,

Didn't anything happen between 496 CE and 1949?

Georgejdorner (talk) 15:49, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

things happened but BAden-Wüttemberg did not exist back then, and there are already pages for the history of Baden and for the history of Württemberg (talk) 13:05, 9 August 2013 (UTC)


I would not consider the FDP a "center-right" political party. The actual FDP wikipedia article could be used to find a better description of the party.Timot2016 (talk) 17:31, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

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Map style[edit]

What is this new "openstreetmap"? It is quite ugly, not to mention useless because it does not show any information besides a bright red bold border. More wikipedia editor meddling? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:58, 5 January 2020 (UTC)



The following coordinate fixes are needed for

2601:18D:880:C8E0:254F:8EE8:6445:9487 (talk) 05:40, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

You haven't said what you think is wrong with the coordinates in the article, and they appear to be correct. (The location is identified on Google Maps as "Landesmittelpunct von Baden-Württemberg".) If you still think that there is an error, you'll need to provide a clear explanation of what it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deor (talkcontribs) 11:12, 21 January 2020 (UTC)